Win is simply IMPOSSIBLE

Superpinball

Member

Don't buy chips! Don't buy chips! You can't never win at any game! In poker there are about 6 flush, 5 full and 2 poker in every play (never saw that in real poker, stupid software), at bingo always win the same players (8 consecutive bingo from the same player), slots are absurd, blackjack i have no words (on 50 consecutive hand maybe you can win 4). This game was made for the stupid people that believe that buying chips is like easy win. Everything has been done to make you want to buy chips!

The poker system is terrible. It has the most unrealistic patterns which you will never see in reality.

Last edited by Bradybaby4lyfe (27 Jun 2022 01:25)

Superpinball

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Bradybaby4lyfe wrote

The poker system is terrible. It has the most unrealistic patterns which you will never see in reality.

Yesterday there are 5 consecutive flush. I have 4-5, the flop was 2-3-6. I make all in, one player call with A-6 and made flush.
I have A-A, was in all in, one player call with 4-5 and the flop was 2-3-6.
Never saw that in a real poker. But they said that is RANDOM ???????

Ollie2709

Member

Bingo is a joke, day in day out its the same names that win even though more than 20 players each time. I now try to go to different bingo room to try and avoid them but usually at least 1 in there so don't stand a chance.

Superpinball

Member

Ollie2709 wrote

Bingo is a joke, day in day out its the same names that win even though more than 20 players each time. I now try to go to different bingo room to try and avoid them but usually at least 1 in there so don't stand a chance.

Exactly. And you will see that now they will also put the lock on this discussion with the usual rhyme "there is no trick and there is no deception, here everything is purely coincidental"

ANUB1S

Member

Superpinball wrote

Exactly. And you will see that now they will also put the lock on this discussion with the usual rhyme "there is no trick and there is no deception, here everything is purely coincidental"

And the reason why they do that is because you don't have any evidence. The "evidence" you think you have are just opinions and theories.

Last edited by ANUB1S (28 Jun 2022 08:04)

Ollie2709

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Thread police have arrived

DL_Paul

Administrator

Please forward us the video of you calling out the numbers prior to them being called. This would be impressive.

The boards are randomly generated and the numbers called in game are also randomly generated. There are no 'higher win rates', this would make zero sense. You see certain usernames because they play many hours a day, every day.

The game doesn't know who anyone specifically is, nor would we adjust anything to give 'better rates' - there is already a house edge on every game.

We get it, when people lose - which is literally how the house edge functions in any simulated casino - there are complaints. Nothing we ever say or do will change this. But the user who won 19,500,000 chips last night on the Progressive Jackpot is probably pretty happy and doesn't think it's rigged.

Anyway, we certainly don't like to lose players, but if you're not having fun there are many other free-to-play games out there to try. The product is for entertainment and if you're not entertained you shouldn't feel you have to 'stay'....but it is certainly a fair game.

Unknown User

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LOL!  Threads aren’t locked because people grouse about the game OR a supposed lack of evidence to support their arguments.  Look a bit more closely at the locked threads... there’s a common denominator... and it really isn’t all that hard to figure out.  One person on this thread already alluded to it.  Those threads are locked when they begin to descend into condescension, insults, name calling and brow beating of anyone who dares question the game play and/or characterizes it as being anything other than completely realistic and random.  The players that normally engage in this behavior are the few that are almost maniacal in their desire of wanting to believe “It’s real and I’m good at it!”

Any game of chance can be broken down mathematically... some of us have taken the time to do so... and within those calculations you’ll see the house advantage... how else do you think house advantages on every game of chance were established in the first place?  That said... more often than not... the math simply doesn’t add up in Four Kings.  I’ve posted a sampling of those numbers elsewhere on this board.  It’s a gambling simulation... a video game... it performs per the programmer’s algorithms.  It’s not meant to be... nor is it... an accurate portrayal with regards to your chances of winning.

I agree regarding the wacky multiple killer poker hands often found in a single round... but you have to keep in mind the goal of poker is to get people on and off the table as quickly as possible.  That means matching up hands to entice players to bet.  The quicker the game ends... the sooner six new people can sit down and spend chips to play.  Why else would DL remove you from a table that YOU PAID to sit at and were allowing the game to fold for you?  I’ll bet they say “We do that as a courtesy to other game players that you’re making wait” because that’s Four Kings... always thinking of their Customers.  Really?

What happens if I let that little graph go to almost zero before I make my decision each hand?  Same thing... but it’s me doing it.  I normally make a decision quickly because I enjoy a rapid paced game.  However, if I allow the game to play for me... like say for instance I step away for a bathroom break midgame (sometimes those games can drag on... and if I’m going to do it, it’s usually during the stretch where I don’t have a blind invested)... and in the process I willingly surrender any hands I might get in the interim... I must be careful not to take too long and I have to hope that those hands I missed didn’t end suddenly... because I’ll return to find I’ve been booted.  That’s just one more person off the table in an effort to achieve the above stated goal.

Failed connections get greater courtesy than that.  I understand the reasoning... but only for free poker... not for any game where a person has used their chips to “buy in”.  DL should not be removing a player under those circumstances... that player literally paid to sit at that table.  Those chips... despite many claims to the contrary... equal real money.  Most people... including those heavily invested in chasing leaderboards... buy chips.  The pursuit of Top 10 on most leaderboards for a three month period equals max betting almost exclusively... you won’t get there otherwise... even if you were to play 24/7.

wi_bruce

Member

DL_Paul wrote

Please forward us the video of you calling out the numbers prior to them being called. This would be impressive.

The boards are randomly generated and the numbers called in game are also randomly generated. There are no 'higher win rates', this would make zero sense. You see certain usernames because they play many hours a day, every day.

The game doesn't know who anyone specifically is, nor would we adjust anything to give 'better rates' - there is already a house edge on every game.

We get it, when people lose - which is literally how the house edge functions in any simulated casino - there are complaints. Nothing we ever say or do will change this. But the user who won 19,500,000 chips last night on the Progressive Jackpot is probably pretty happy and doesn't think it's rigged.

Anyway, we certainly don't like to lose players, but if you're not having fun there are many other free-to-play games out there to try. The product is for entertainment and if you're not entertained you shouldn't feel you have to 'stay'....but it is certainly a fair game.

Lot of players play A Lot of hours everyday  but i see the same one winning Big  Everyday.  Lot of players think its the seats they pick and even stand and block seats during free game so not to lose them. It just doesnt seem random lot of times. Take away leader board and more players would win not just same ones.

ANUB1S

Member

You need to realize that the definition of evidence is not what "seems" to you.

I would like to see that math, please. Post it here, and don't make look through every thread to find it.

Superpinball

Member

DL_Paul wrote

Please forward us the video of you calling out the numbers prior to them being called. This would be impressive.

The boards are randomly generated and the numbers called in game are also randomly generated. There are no 'higher win rates', this would make zero sense. You see certain usernames because they play many hours a day, every day.

The game doesn't know who anyone specifically is, nor would we adjust anything to give 'better rates' - there is already a house edge on every game.

We get it, when people lose - which is literally how the house edge functions in any simulated casino - there are complaints. Nothing we ever say or do will change this. But the user who won 19,500,000 chips last night on the Progressive Jackpot is probably pretty happy and doesn't think it's rigged.

Anyway, we certainly don't like to lose players, but if you're not having fun there are many other free-to-play games out there to try. The product is for entertainment and if you're not entertained you shouldn't feel you have to 'stay'....but it is certainly a fair game.

Are you serious? So please go in one table with 25 of your friend. Put on the table 26 different cards and SHOW ME that is RANDOM and NATURAL that one person take THE SAME CARD 7 CONSECUTIVE TIMES.
Have you saw sometime in your life 6 consecutive flush in a poker table? The slots are incredible hard, but you know that. I only want that you say the truth: who buy the chips win. If the players win without buying chips the app is not good. The player who won 19.500.000 chips have buy a lot of chips from you, so this is the present for him. There are poker players (high on the leaderboard) who play every hand even with 2 and 3 or 3 and 4 and punctually make straight, full house, flush. Tell me how many times it is possible in reality for a player who calls with 2 and 3 or with 3 and 4 to win against KK or AA. Yet here it happens every day. Obviously the loser is not happy and complains, but in a land based casino you will never hear "that always wins" or "the poker is rigged" because it is obvious that it is all random. I have fun if on 40 plays one time i win, one time you win, one time she win, ecc. But if in 40 plays you win 17, she win 14, he win 9 and i win nothing is frustrating

Superpinball

Member

ANUB1S wrote

You need to realize that the definition of evidence is not what "seems" to you.

I would like to see that math, please. Post it here, and don't make look through every thread to find it.

It is useless for you to be a scientist trying to defend the indefensible. Post me a video where you put 25 people around a table by having them draw one of 25 cards on the table. Then shuffle the cards and put them back on the table. Have one card each drawn, and so on. When a person draws the exact same card 7 times in a row then i will believe you. Until you show me this, yours are just fairy tales

Cristy45

Member

It's TRUE nobody likes to lose but when u lose 12 times in a row to the same person in bingo it makes anyone double think about this game.. Of course a person can b lucky but NOT that lucky ...

Superpinball

Member

Cristy45 wrote

It's TRUE nobody likes to lose but when u lose 12 times in a row to the same person in bingo it makes anyone double think about this game.. Of course a person can b lucky but NOT that lucky ...

I already feel I love you ..........

Unknown User

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ANUB1S wrote

You need to realize that the definition of evidence is not what "seems" to you.

I would like to see that math, please. Post it here, and don't make look through every thread to find it.

With regard to existing win percentages that occur within the Four Kings gaming experience... I’m not commenting on anything from the standpoint of “It seems to me...”

From The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition, evidence is defined as:

1.    A thing or set of things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment.
2.    Something indicative; an indication or set of indications.
3.    The means by which an allegation may be proven, such as oral testimony, documents, or physical objects.

I’m curious to hear your definition of evidence.  When talking about games of chance... numbers don’t lie... that’s how odds are established in the first place.  Four Kings regularly defies those very odds.  What “other evidence” might you be referring to?

Finally... please... no one is “making” anyone do anything.  If you have a genuine interest... you’ll seek it out. You shouldn’t have to “look through every thread”... this forum has a couple of options for you to use that can narrow it down.

Snax

Member

@DL_Paul Poker really needs to be looked at…… it’s programming is awful

Last edited by Snax (29 Jun 2022 23:57)

DL_Paul

Administrator

Snax wrote

@DL_Paul Poker really needs to be looked at…… it’s programming is awful

Ok, I'll bite...please define what makes it 'awful'.

ANUB1S

Member

Superpinball wrote

I only want that you say the truth

No, I think you only want him to tell you what you want to hear. He has already told you the truth, and while it is inconvenient, it is still the truth.

ANUB1S

Member

Unknown User wrote

With regard to existing win percentages that occur within the Four Kings gaming experience... I’m not commenting on anything from the standpoint of “It seems to me...”

Yes, you are. I see no scientific approach to your proof. You're only working from your perspective. Just because others agree with you does not make all of you right.

Unknown User wrote

From The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition, evidence is defined as:

You have only proven you can cut and paste. Cutting and pasting does not prove your thorough comprehension of the entire concept of evidence.

Unknown User wrote

... numbers don’t lie...

No, but the person interpreting them can be misled by the gambler's fallacy.

Unknown User wrote

Finally... please... no one is “making” anyone do anything.

But yes, you are making me hunt through all of these hundreds of threads for your math. You know where it is. I'm not being unreasonable by requesting that you please repost it.

ANUB1S

Member

Superpinball wrote

It is useless for you to be a scientist trying to defend the indefensible.

I am a scientist, and I have yet to see any evidence from you that this is indefensible. All I'm seeing is supposition.

Superpinball wrote

Post me a video where you put 25 people around a table by having them draw one of 25 cards on the table. Then shuffle the cards and put them back on the table. Have one card each drawn, and so on. When a person draws the exact same card 7 times in a row then i will believe you. Until you show me this, yours are just fairy tales

Just because I'm not telling you what you want to hear does not prove my science is fairy tales. Your example might be an exaggeration borne from frustration; it doesn't account for a streak of good luck; and it demonstrates that you don't fully comprehend the gambler's fallacy.

Unknown User

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ANUB1S wrote
Unknown User wrote

With regard to existing win percentages that occur within the Four Kings gaming experience... I’m not commenting on anything from the standpoint of “It seems to me...”

Yes, you are. I see no scientific approach to your proof. You're only working from your perspective. Just because others agree with you does not make all of you right.

Well that’s not at all surprising... I’ve not actually provided my approach OR proof on THIS thread... and as you’ve pointed out... you don’t want to be bothered with finding where I’ve posted it elsewhere.  I’m still collecting data... I do so every time I play.  You “think” I’m working from my perspective.  However... as I’ve seen you point out on numerous occasions in this very forum... just because you “think” it... doesn’t make it real or true... even for a “scientist”. 

Unknown User wrote

From The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition, evidence is defined as:

You have only proven you can cut and paste. Cutting and pasting does not prove your thorough comprehension of the entire concept of evidence.

You're "thinking" again, eh?  You think that was a copy and paste when I could have just as easily looked it up & typed it out.  But... that’s a “What are the odds?” kind of thing, right?  And... odds are...

Ironically a little like what we’re talking about in this thread... “What are the odds?” and how Four Kings routinely defies those odds. 

And that condescension I mentioned previously... nice... I bet you’re an absolute pleasure to know in person.  I understand the definition well and how each of those definitions applies.  You assume I don’t... and you know the old saying about making assumptions.  It’s a little like “I think” and “I feel”.  I’m a little surprised by that coming from a “scientist”.  You haven’t a clue about who you’re visiting with... their background... their education... their hobbies... what they do for a living.  You could be debating with a graduate from MIT for all you know... but that doesn’t stop you... you automatically assume you know more about any given topic than they do.  Not a very disciplined or scientific approach by a “scientist”.  I notice you completely avoid answering my question as to what “other evidence you’re referring to” when talking about games of chance.  That, in and of itself, is very telling.

Unknown User wrote

... numbers don’t lie...

No, but the person interpreting them can be misled by the gambler's fallacy.

Ah... there it is... next you’ll be accusing me of suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect... while simultaneously failing to see how that same lack of self-awareness prevents you from seeing how that bias could very well apply to you.  But that couldn’t be possible... right?  Not to an educated person like yourself... yet... here you are delivering your verdict with insufficient data.

I’ve never known a “scientist” so intent on providing a hypothesis with nothing more than conjecture to base it upon.  It must be that keen analytical mind of yours... honed from years of exhaustive study and then relentless research.  “I don’t need proof... I’ll just pronounce my judgement!”  The very thing you accuse others of... you’re guilty of yourself.  You’re not so obtuse that you can’t see that... are you?  Or is it simply your personal vanity that clouds your awareness?

I won’t waste time with you any further by responding.  You can respond... I’ll just ignore it.  Your inability to answer a simple question... your complete lack of scientific curiosity and somewhat helpless approach to looking up an easily found thread... and your past comments... have told me everything I need to know about you and brings into focus your sole purpose for being here... and it’s not to debate topics intelligently... it’s simply to agitate and argue.  While you criticize others for failing to provide proof... you’ve yet to bring anything to the table to support your argument.  Other than...

“I think...”

“I feel...”

“I assume...”

None of which are very analytical.  You are literally being the pigeon on the chess board.

Mark Twain often gets credit for the quote... “It’s easier to fool someone than to convince them they’ve been fooled” and it was P.T. Barnum that said “There’s a sucker born every minute.” 

Both seem applicable in your case. 

Scientist my a**.

Unknown User wrote

Finally... please... no one is “making” anyone do anything.

But yes, you are making me hunt through all of these hundreds of threads for your math. You know where it is. I'm not being unreasonable by requesting that you please repost it.

ANUB1S

Member

UnkUs, buddy, denying the fact that I'm a scientist and all of your other straw man bile because I'm not telling you what you want to hear is not science. It's not good form. It's not even debate. It's being a troll. If you actually are an MIT graduate, you must have been asleep the day they taught you about evidence AND the ad hominem fallacy.

As for everybody else in this thread, DL Paul has spoken. Sometimes the truth is not what you want to hear. You can't just haul off, throw a temper tantrum and call people liars just because you're not being told what you want to hear. Sometimes truth is inconvenient to hear. That doesn't mean it's not the truth.

Snax

Member

DL_Paul wrote
Snax wrote

@DL_Paul Poker really needs to be looked at…… it’s programming is awful

Ok, I'll bite...please define what makes it 'awful'.

@DL_Paul First off, it would be a good idea for you or members of the company to actually play the game regularly so you would grasp a better understanding on why most of us are complaining.

Poker is terrible because it’s simple predictions. There are far too many river card wins, flushes, full houses, and straight wins all in one game in EVERY single game I have participated in. These patterns are VERY common when they should be rare in most cases. You can always see them coming too!
This is something you’ll never see in a real life poker match, let alone in any digital poker game out there but, only yours.
Please take a look at your coding. Something’s off.

I have played Four Kings since the beta release. I really enjoyed the game more during its earlier years. After the release of the huge 2018 update, something has changed.

Last edited by Snax (2 Jul 2022 16:31)

DL_Paul

Administrator

Many of us play the game on a daily basis. Usually it's anonymously just to avoid being a distraction in game to other players. Sometimes you'll see someone with a "DL_" tag and DL logo badge in a room talking to folks or doing giveaways. When we see a problem, it's noted and then fixed in a future patch.

The code uses standard RNG to shuffle a card deck. The code then simply deals to players, discards as the game requires and displays. Though you may perceive them as common, there are thousands of games played per day on all four platforms the game is available on. I'm sure if you went on some 'real-life' poker games forums folks would probably make the same claims. It's just human nature to attempt to find patterns.

In fact, the point is proven in the last statement "I really enjoyed the game more during its earlier years. After the release of the huge 2018 update, something has changed." The only change in 2018 was a visual one to attempt to provide a better gameplay experience - better frame rates, higher res textures...etc. The poker code from original release in 2015 is still in play today.

Anyway, we'd like to have the forums as place to share ideas, discuss the game and provide suggestions. This thread is now devolving in to attacks which isn't productive. If it continues down that path, I'll just lock it.

All feedback is reviewed and regularly implemented. We appreciate how passionate people are about the game and want to continue growing the player base. We know we don't always get it right, but we'll keep at it!