How do you deal with cheating?

Xbox Hepburn

Member

IDK if it's cheating per se (I know it DEFINITELY is in a real casino) but when 2 or 3 people sit down at a 25k poker game and tell each other what they're holding through xbox messenger so they know which hands to fold it seems unfair to me.

How do you all combat this? Do you just not play with them? Is there a list of known cheats or people who play underhandedly like that online? Or is that considered fair play in 4k?


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Evil Wolf

Member

Xbox Hepburn wrote

IDK if it's cheating per se (I know it DEFINITELY is in a real casino) but when 2 or 3 people sit down at a 25k poker game and tell each other what they're holding through xbox messenger so they know which hands to fold it seems unfair to me.

How do you all combat this? Do you just not play with them? Is there a list of known cheats or people who play underhandedly like that online? Or is that considered fair play in 4k?

I am always looking for friends to play Poker with PM me your GT I will add you

Xbox Hepburn

Member

Evil Wolf wrote
Xbox Hepburn wrote

IDK if it's cheating per se (I know it DEFINITELY is in a real casino) but when 2 or 3 people sit down at a 25k poker game and tell each other what they're holding through xbox messenger so they know which hands to fold it seems unfair to me.

How do you all combat this? Do you just not play with them? Is there a list of known cheats or people who play underhandedly like that online? Or is that considered fair play in 4k?

I am always looking for friends to play Poker with PM me your GT I will add you

My gamertag is "Xbox Hepburn" with a space


Don't get psyched because I'm a gamer girl. I'm on the wrong side of 30. Unless you're in your 30s too, in which case get psyched as hell.

ST98

Member

Hi Hep...

I have heard rumors of poker couples cheating using the method you mentioned in your tread.
As a highly ranked player in VIP poker, i wonder that myself.
But the algorithm of poker, isn't going to change the outcome of the randomness of the next card that turns up.
Yeah maybe a cheating couple/triple might fold based on what their partner has in their hand, but if you have the cards to win and luck that isn't going to make a difference. In fact it may help your hand, as now you have 1 less opponent to contend with.

Another case recently was another highly ranked player, accused another of cheating, because he won multiple hands in a row against him.
I felt really bad, I played both 1000's of times and if i thought one was cheating I would definitely not play them, or at least avoid them.

One time another player accused me of cheating. I would never cheat, doing so would take the fun out of the game.

I have noticed some players, no matter how hard they try, just cannot defeat me, unless i make a mistake. If you are one of those, just keep in mind, i have no control over what cards i get or come up. Poker isn't just luck. Its 75% luck, 10% skills(knowing your opponents skills and luck level), and 15% head games (bluffing, delaying, faking out your opponents and mocking them when you get a win over them).

One last case i ought to mention, one player reads out his cards to the others openly. Well its your choice to do so, but your killing the fun of the game and wasting your chips.


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Xbox Hepburn

Member

Yes, but what bothers me is this scenario: person A is working in tandem with person B and C. A gets pocket kings, and this is normally a hand that you would throw a significant amount of money behind, so they are about to go all in with their last 15k. Person B pops on and says "I have pocket aces" and person A folds because of that insider information.

Because of that, person A remains in the game. A, B and C continue to do this and because they are stooging for each other, it's much easier for them to make it to the remaining 3 seats and get the RP.

I don't care about the leaderboard or having to spend my money. I'm a grown woman and I'll spend money on a game I like. I'm just bothered by the idea of person A screwing me out of RP points because they have an inside partner or partners giving the 3 of them the edge over the 3 HONEST players at the table.


ST98 wrote

I have noticed some players, no matter how hard they try, just cannot defeat me, unless i make a mistake. If you are one of those...

I just want to say that this topic wasn't started by me over sour grapes or anything. Another player I'm on very good terms with let me know "watch out for this person, they messaged me and asked if I wanted to share hole card info"

I don't want to blow up her spot and get her labeled a snitch, but I have full confidence she was telling the truth. I'm more asking what do you do as players personally when you know someone is sharing info, dumping hands, and doing stooge work for other players at the table? That seems like a really greasy move considering a real casino would ban you for cheating?

I mean, when 2 or 3 people are ganging up at the table, that's 3 times the luck you need to farm RP.

Last edited by Xbox Hepburn (5 Nov 2021 14:34)


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Cashmoneeh

Member

people do it in vip and high rollers and probably 5k. It's only considered cheating if that person is using multiple accounts and profiles at the same time on a poker table to farm their main account for leader boards. Believe me when I say this has happened before so be thankful it's not that happening to you.

There is nothing DL can do about telling cards though and its just something we have to live with..There's no way to tell who is telling cards or not and as st98 said if you know you have good cards and you know what to fold and what not then you should be okay anyway.. yes it's annoying feeling cheated but I've won against them type of people plenty of times and it feels sooooo good

I've also told cards to a friend a few times as they wanted my help to learn the game but thats it. Other than that I like clean game and competition even with my friends..it makes it more fun to smack talk eachother when we knock eachother out lol tongue


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ST98

Member

Good spirit and philosophy Cashmoneeh.

I think worse then the cheaters, is the sore losers... who accuse others of cheating because they lost,
I do and everybody has bad gambling days. Sometimes i have 3 bad days in a row. I don't blame others for my misfortune.
Just enjoy the challenge of being giving rubbish cards.


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Evil Wolf

Member

ST98 wrote

Good spirit and philosophy Cashmoneeh.

I think worse then the cheaters, is the sore losers... who accuse others of cheating because they lost,
I do and everybody has bad gambling days. Sometimes i have 3 bad days in a row. I don't blame others for my misfortune.
Just enjoy the challenge of being giving rubbish cards.

I accused the dealer of not liking me today as I got dealt 9,2 off suit 3 times in a row you ever have that? I have a few times when I get dealt the same cards I had previous hand but different suit I know the games not cheating me it happens but I role played it and said dealer how much do I need to bribe you to get a better hand next round?

Xbox Hepburn

Member

ST98 wrote

Good spirit and philosophy Cashmoneeh.

I think worse then the cheaters, is the sore losers... who accuse others of cheating because they lost,
I do and everybody has bad gambling days. Sometimes i have 3 bad days in a row. I don't blame others for my misfortune.
Just enjoy the challenge of being giving rubbish cards.

To reiterate, I don't think it's "sore losing" to sit down at a 100k a hand table and know for a fact that 3 different people at the table are dumping pots to each other. That statistically gives them a TREMENDOUS advantage of being the final 3.

Maybe you're ok with getting screwed out of major RP at a 100k table, and that's your perogative. If you want to get stiffed c'est la vie, but one of the reasons I spend so much money in 4 kings is to get RP so I can buy outfits and stuff.

I'm not "blaming others for my misfortune", I'm blaming people who are well known in VIP who have a little agreement to share whole cards. I'm calling out CHEATERS.

If it isn't a big deal, go down to Vegas and try it with 2 of your friends at the poker table.


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Cashmoneeh

Member

Yeah but how do you know for sure they are cheating? There's no way to tell people are telling cards unless someone has told you to watch out for certain people or you caught them telling cards.

Again, if you have the better cards you should be fine. Yeah, okay someone who is telling cards will fold the worst hands out of the bunch but that 1 or 2 less people you have to worry about and you could be sat with a better hand than the card teller still in. There's two people in HR who are a 4kings couple lol, who tell cards and they pretty much lose all the time or one makes it to final 3. They can be beaten if you play smart and not play every single hand you are dealt. I myself fold lots of hands tbh especially if I'm having bad luck.

There's nothing DL can do..ban pm from poker tables..they will just hop in parties. It's been like this since what 2015..nothing going to change just something we got to deal with.

If you know people are card tellers don't play with them.. if you don't know for sure they are card telling then maybe they not and you just having bad luck..  not everyone cheats in this game you know smile


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DL_Bob

Moderator

Often, people like playing with one another, its a social mmo. But we have in the past suspended egregious cheaters for play similar to what you suspect. But we can't do anything until we are given some names. Of course we won't comment on specific cases but we do read every report.

If you suspect someone of cheating, you can report them. In this case include the other usernames. Or use techsupport@digitalleisure.com and include the usernames.

Olive00

New member

I'm always saying something like "Hey that wasn't a legal move, and if you keep it up I am not going to play with your any more" or some such response. Point it out when it happens.

terrysmith

New member

There are definitely a lot of scams out there these days. But do not forget about those people who play badly. For a long time I also lost large sums of money until I met a person who helped me play better .... It's a pity that he died from the coronavirus.