Is it possible to actually consistently gain more chips than you lose?

Mvid

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Since casinos are based on the idea that the house always wins in the long run, has anybody found good systems for beating the odds or at least breaking even?

I know that I avoid slots, roulette and keno like the plague (unless a daily/weekly task makes me play them).  I find the most profitable games are video poker (if you learn which card combos to keep for best odds), craps (if you can figure it out) and poker (if you have some bluffing skill).  I mostly end up losing at blackjack as well.

I also find that video poker is a good consistent (although slow) way of earning RP while staying even with your chips.


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sekihan

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I found BINGO to be the only game in the casino that pays out RP when you lose (the only exception is FREE BINGO). On the occasion that you actually win, it pays out a jackpot that includes a stack of chips. I played this game for the first month and earned enough RP to make it to VIP 2. This month I made it to VIP 3 and tier 40 for BINGO. Once you've made it to VIP status the dailies/weeklies get a bonus. I've never bought any chips, but the auto-dabber does come in handy when playing along with friends (in party) and to take a quick bathroom break. When I don't play BINGO, I concentrate on tiering up the other casino games (every fifth tier there's a bonus). I've found winning strategies/guides for casino games online or by playing legacy games (PS1, PS2, PSP and SNES). PS1 Caesar's Palace 2000 Millennium Gold Edition comes with a guide to gambling (in the printed instruction manual). PS2 High Rollers Casino and Hard Rock Casino have good in-game tutorials for playing casino games. PSP Payout Poker & Casino and SNES Vegas Stakes are kinda fun to play as well. I played the legacy games while my PS4 was in SONY repair service BTW.

Mvid

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I didn't realize bingo was that good for getting RP so I have mostly ignored it... i'll have to play more now.

I got to VIP 1 using video poker, craps and regular poker.  I've never bought chips yet either and I manage to maintain a chip total that fluctuates between 200,000 and 300,000.


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sekihan

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500,000 is the highest I've made playing bingo, slots, and machine games. I've tiered up most of the games except baccarat, roulette, craps and poker.

jexegug

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I do good at craps i was at 2.6m but now 1.8m

Last edited by jexegug (30 Jan 2016 10:09)

Carla Birch

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On steam i have gone from around 500K to 1.3 Million via war in a week, but like most games it's a case of if you land on a good run in that game or not.

On PS4, doing the same thing i have lost chips, so it's more a case of watching and knowing when to play and when to back out. A good tip is to start off and get a stack of chips on the table, that stacks shows what you have won if you get a good start, then play with that stack, if it goes back out, don't keep playing with a empty stack.

DL_Miguel

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The only truly reliable to way to earn chips is poker. Its the only game in the casino in which a player's skill will reliably allow them to make a profit. Sometimes you will still get bad beats and bad luck, but in general the better poker players will win more often.

As for more traditional table games like Roulette, Blackjack, War etc... they are based off their real-life casino counterparts. Therefore they all have a house advantage associated with them. Roulette has a ~5% house advantage because of 0 and 00. War has a smaller house edge of about 2-3%. Optimal blackjack play has a very small house advantage, but many players do not play optimally. If you know how to count cards, then that will help you overcome the house edge, possibly even into profit.

Our slot machines are generally loose by Vegas standards. All of them have around a 4-5% house advantage (in vegas this is sometimes termed 95% payout).

If you're looking to learn more about casino games and how the house advantage works, check out http://wizardofodds.com/


Many Bothans died to bring us this information.

TSUNADE1224

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So if thats the case then RP earned on slots should be more when you do win, to balance out the loses with RP earned when it does pay out. 

As far as Poker, the way it is played in the casino is no way how its played in rl, because people just bully themselves to win.  Going "all in" on every hand without even seeing the flop and eating away at your chips with the blinds which has nothing to do with skill.  VIP poker players dont do this as much, but you have to earn, have a pass gifted or buy your way to VIP and even if your gifted a pass you still need the 25k to participate.

SNMCMXCI

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I agree with Tsunade. Slots is by far the worst game to get RP in. It's a shame too because I really enjoy playing it. It's quite mindless, and a good way to wind down since I don't have to do much but press autospin. I just don't play it unless it's a task since the RP payout is hardly worth it with the big risk you running of losing all your chips.

Mvid

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So after a bunch more playing, I am finding the best way to stay close to break even and grinding RP is max bets on video poker (if you have low chips to start) or max bets on blackjack (especially in VIP) if you have a lot of chips.  I find that bingo does generate chips from just playing, but not a lot and it takes a long time per game.  Poker is great IF you can actually win consistently.  Craps is ok for some big wins, but is also risky.  Video blackjack is ok.  Big6, Keno, Roulette, Slots are basically chip eaters.  War is horrible, just because it IS SO SLOW to play for so little return.  And it's like flipping a coin.  Betting on ties is pointless as they hardly ever come up.  (yesterday I played war for a little over an hour, waiting for a tie, to try and complete my daily task "go to war"...  I HATE WAR!)


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TSUNADE1224

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Mvid wrote

So after a bunch more playing, I am finding the best way to stay close to break even and grinding RP is max bets on video poker (if you have low chips to start) or max bets on blackjack (especially in VIP) if you have a lot of chips.  I find that bingo does generate chips from just playing, but not a lot and it takes a long time per game.  Poker is great IF you can actually win consistently.  Craps is ok for some big wins, but is also risky.  Video blackjack is ok.  Big6, Keno, Roulette, Slots are basically chip eaters.  War is horrible, just because it IS SO SLOW to play for so little return.  And it's like flipping a coin.  Betting on ties is pointless as they hardly ever come up.  (yesterday I played war for a little over an hour, waiting for a tie, to try and complete my daily task "go to war"...  I HATE WAR!)

Mvid - I usually jump on around 730-8pm EST.  I can share some of my techniques if your interested, my psn id is the same as is here.

mindful

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if can just get six friends on PSN party chat/ or if pc use teamspeak,  and rotate the pokers wins , for hrs. from what i heard. No skill on it , and then rounder it at 4 players/.

Last edited by mindful (8 Feb 2016 15:16)

Carla Birch

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Rotating poker win's between mates is basically cheating.

TSUNADE1224

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Carla Birch wrote

Rotating poker win's between mates is basically cheating.

Mindful is just saying what is already happening in the casino.

Mvid

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If they are rotating poker wins, how does that get anybody ahead?  Since all 6 players will be paying the same amount into the pot total as they get when they win once.  Lame.


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Brewskin

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Cheating is cheating, and there ain't no "basically" to it.  If you use the PS4 Party feature to communicate about yer hand with a "teammate", you're a despicable slimeball, and so is yer friend.

I regularly play with friends while we're in Party, and we would never try to "stack the deck", though it would be quite simple, any more than we would if we were playing at a table together in RL

jexegug

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mvid  its not money but they get 6k rp if they rotate and can max out level and get plenty of rp

Carla Birch

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TSUNADE1224 wrote
Carla Birch wrote

Rotating poker win's between mates is basically cheating.

Mindful is just saying what is already happening in the casino.

Because it's happening does not mean it's still not cheating, i know a number of players are upset by a group of users who are doing just that in VIP to rank up mass RP fast, that's likely what Mindful is on about.

TSUNADE1224

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Carla Birch wrote
TSUNADE1224 wrote
Carla Birch wrote

Rotating poker win's between mates is basically cheating.

Mindful is just saying what is already happening in the casino.

Because it's happening does not mean it's still not cheating, i know a number of players are upset by a group of users who are doing just that in VIP to rank up mass RP fast, that's likely what Mindful is on about.

I never said it was not cheating! I simply said that what Mindful is saying is whats happening.  You want to jump down people's throat because they are saying what others are doing, but if you say something about it your just a complainer or some other derogatory name used for those who when expressing their disapproval and are automatically labeled a "hater". 

Do you think im not pissed off about this?  Ive put in more money then I care to admit over the course of 2 months now, but what can you do?  How the hell to do prove that this is what they are doing?  I have personally made it a point to not play with certain people that i know are chummy with each other, because I feel that I am at a disadvantage and this is the only way I know to avoid it.

Last edited by TSUNADE1224 (11 Feb 2016 04:47)

Carla Birch

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I dont think pointing out its cheating is jumping down someones throat, we know it goes on and we know its cheating, but others reading might not know and think mindful was telling them a way to make good gains thats not cheating.

I was in no way jumping or having a go,just making it clear that its cheating. And yes a number of people will not play with select other users because of it. Some even go as far as to move to another vip room.

Is little that can be done apart from report them if they say something in game about what they are doing. Inless DL can see something in the game data that makes it clear to whats going on.

Would be nice to get DL stand on the matter.

TSUNADE1224

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Carla Birch wrote

I dont think pointing out its cheating is jumping down someones throat, we know it goes on and we know its cheating, but others reading might not know and think mindful was telling them a way to make good gains thats not cheating.

I was in no way jumping or having a go,just making it clear that its cheating. And yes a number of people will not play with select other users because of it. Some even go as far as to move to another vip room.

Is little that can be done apart from report them if they say something in game about what they are doing. Inless DL can see something in the game data that makes it clear to whats going on.

Would be nice to get DL stand on the matter.

Agreed

Lianara

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Looks like poker tourney has been screwed up by the way you are talinkg about
This is sad  roll